Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Hack the Olympics!

There's been some widely publicized controversy regarding the competition age of the Chinese women's gymnastics team recently. Rather than be too CNN, I decided to take a page from my friend Johnny and investigate on my own. I have an Internet connection, that means I should be able to verify the age of the gymnasts in question with primary state-issued documents and find out for myself if someone's cheating, right? Right. Let's go to work.

First, the rules.

  1. Gymnasts must be 16 to compete. This means they must be born in 1992 or earlier.
  2. Only publicly available, primary, linkable information can be used.

Who are we talking about?

Let's take a look at He Kexin (何可欣). Her Chinese issued passport lists her birthday as 01/01/1992, 16 years old and old enough to compete. However, allegations cited on her Wikipedia page put her birthday as 01/01/1994, fourteen years old and not eligible for competition. Which is the truth? Let's find out.


Let's ask Google!


First, we'll search all Chinese web sites for Excel spreadsheets containing He Kexin's name and the word 1994. (site:cn 何可欣 filetype:xls 1994). This seems like a pretty good search. Try it yourself! Here's what Google gives us back, one measly hit:



Wow, an Excel spreadsheet hosted on an official Chinese government web site (http://www.sport.gov.cn/files/jts/reg2006/zctc.xls) that contains the official birthday for He Kexin, awesome! Unfortunately, when you click on it, it's been removed.


That's strange. Fortunately, we can click on "View as HTML" in the Google cache and see it. However, even though the Google search results indicate that He Kexin is listed in the spreadsheet, when you view Google's cached version, her name no longer appears.

What a strange software bug!?!? Oh well, I guess we should give up. Right?

What if we don't give up easy though?


What about Baidu? Baidu is a Chinese language search engine with its own cache and search index. It's different than google. So what if we run the same search on Baidu? Here's the Baidu results, as of today, for the same search string: (site:cn 何可欣 filetype:xls 1994). For those who don't speak Search Engine, that's all Excel spreadsheets in China that contain He Kexin's name and the string 1994. So, here's Baidu:


Interesting. Baidu lists TWO spreadsheets at sport.gov.cn with Kexin's name. Not surprisingly, the new one discovered by Baidu has been been deleted as well:



But what about the Baidu cache? If you click on the "HTML" link next to these XLS documents on Baidu (do it yourself!) you can access a cached copy of the document. This means that it was fully available... until recently. So, does Baidu's copies of these documents have anything to say about Ms. Kexin?




In the Baidu cache, which apparently has not been hit with the scrub brush (yet), two spreadsheets published by the Chinese government on sport.gov.cn both list He Kexin's birthday as 01-01-1994, making her 14 years old. For as long as these links work, you can access the documents directly, either using the directions and screenshots above, or these links: cache1 cache2

Conclusions

How official are these documents? Pretty dang official - they were issued by the General Administration of Sport of China.

Much of the coverage regarding Kexin's age has only mentioned "allegations" of fraud, and the IOC has ignored the matter completely. I believe that these primary documents, issued by the Chinese state, directly available from China by clicking on the links above rise to a level of evidence higher than "allegation". The following points bear mentioning:

  1. Google's cached copy of the spreadsheet does not contain Kexin's age record, and Baidu's does. This does not necessarily imply that Google allowed its data to be rewritten by Chinese censors, but the possibility does present itself.
  2. From the minute I pressed the publish button on this blog, the clock is ticking until Kexin's true age is wiped out of the Baidu cache forever. It is up to you, the folks reading this blog, to take your own screenshots and notarize them by publishing them. If you put a link in the comments section, I'll post it.

In closing, I'd like to point out that this is not an anti-China post; far from it. While I may disagree with the effort the Chinese government is making to conceal this young woman's age, I have the utmost respect for the Chinese people, and I believe that united they will be able to make state sponsored censorship a thing of the past.




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Update 8/27/2008


  • It seems that most of the traffic to this blog is still coming here, to the original post. I'd like to point out for the record, this is the first blog post I've ever written in my life. I did my best. That said, there's now a lot more to the story. Please visit http://strydehax.blogspot.com.

  • One side bar to this post that keeps getting picked up is my statement that censors could have had access to the search engine results. It remains true that this is possible, or at least I cannot disprove it. However, it is very important to note that documents disappearing from web servers is very different from results leaving a search engine. Results "time out" and naturally remove themselves from search engines all the time; this is a natural artifact of how the technology works. Hence I cannot in any way state that there is evidence that information is being intentionally removed from search engines. When I was writing this, it seemed like everything I clicked on had already been deleted; in retrospect, it's important to differentiate between missing documents on web servers (which is highly suspicious) and missing search engine results, which can simply be an artifact of the search engine catching up. I hope this clarifies things.

Update 8/22/2008


  • Referred to this story directly? Please see the rest of my blog, as I attempt to follow up in real time: strydehax.blogspot.com

  • Many readers have pointed out mistakes in this posting, including my use of the phrase "Ms. Kexin", which is incorrect (the correct name order dictates the phrase "Ms. He". I have decided not to modify my original posting. If I go back and change my mistakes, how can I comment honestly on the topic of online redaction?

  • I've recently been alerted to this excellent Huffington Post article which uses screenshots of primary sources regarding He Kexin. This is the type of reporting I was originally looking for! One guy can't read everything. Tip o' the hat.

Update 8/20/2008


  • New to the story? Check out Part II

  • Well, this has hit Slashdot and appears to have legs. I am approving comments as fast as I can; bear with me

  • Readers in the comment section have noted that I misspelled Ms. Kexin's name as Hexin; corrected

  • I have received several comments to the effect of "Who cares how old she is?". In response: certainly not me. This blog is about government censorship and state sponsored fraud. I am attempting to demonstrate the power of free citizens to subvert government censorship. The finer points of gymnastics competitions are outside the scope of this post.

  • An alert reader has alerted me that perhaps the New York Times was the first to run across these documents, in their story here. In fact, it may have been visits by the NY Times reporter to the official web site that originally caused the Excel spreadsheets to be deleted. I find it unfortunate that at the time the NYTimes did not 'notarize' and redistribute the primary documents when they were found, if this is the case. Either way, it appears readers of this blog have taken up the torch. The truth isn't going to be stamped out.

  • I am amazed at the outpouring of technical support and mirrors contributed by readers in order to preserve these records. I will continue to post every one I receive; thank you.

  • I can be reached privately via stryde dot blog at gmail dot com

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Mr. Evil said...

http://akoimeexx.com/_file/he-kexin-bday-scandal.png

Julie said...

Speaking as a novice, please detail how I do a "screenshot" which will be preserved even in event of site "elimination". Do you mean just print it?

Stryde said...

julie, that's a fair point. Windows users can capture their screen using the printscreen key on the keyboard, then paste the resulting image into microsoft paint and save the image. Most operating systems will allow you to download a screen capture utility as well. Printing the page works too. The important point here is to create so many copies of this document, before the Chinese censors remove it, that its existence cannot be denied. Hence posting a screen capture, saved copy, scanned printed copy, or what have you to your own web site or blog - these actions will help once this information magically vanishes. Thanks for your help, and good luck.

chasd00 said...

I made link 1 available here
http://treetops-llc.com/chasd00/screen1.html

Link 2 is available here
http://treetops-llc.com/chasd00/screen2.html

KingZog said...

Screenshot

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2111/199411bw0.png

Russell Jones said...

Coral Cache has them now...

http://cache.baidu.com.nyud.net/c?m=9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7227e8a905368d4e41dce204c413037bfa673794e5392d8242140b20a17a2a17d247c1e68e6dd999f4aaaf1cc693bcd7a742613913161c468d8dc4755d650e44d98a40e91b8e74391b9d2a2dc5f58cc&p=882a97128c805ffc57ecd3214f&user=baidu

http://cache.baidu.com.nyud.net/c?m=9d78d513d9d431dc4f9ce3690c66c0166d43f1682ba1d2020ed68448e267504a4172a4fb792d4a4295876b6672b25419afb52172404262eadb8e9f4aaaeecf6c388850652c01d21a4c8458b2930064dc60c70fe9ad1be3a7b863d5ffc5d3a81e0d8b&p=8b2a941786cc43f113fecb3146&user=baidu

-x- said...

Stryde, I doubt they'll try to deny existence of the document. What they will more likely do is claim it's faked. Have you kept records of your browsing, e.g. weblogs, etc.? I notice the address bar in your screenshots is cut off.

alexlady said...

wow.

as much as i hope they get busted, i really feel bad for these girls. they don't really seem to have much of a choice in ANY of these matters, including whether or not they get to see their families, and they're caught up in this nasty corrupt machine.

it all sucks.

www.alexladydesigns.etsy.com

Sam said...

I like this controversy, personally. It's a unique kind of controversy: it's not about whether or not these Chinese girls are underage, it's about how boldly the Chinese government is balls-out lying to the IOC and the world about it, and it's also about the IOC's resolve (or lack of thereof) to revoke medals in the face of obvious wrongdoing.
If there is no way to regulate the ages of gymnasts in the case of nations that can just claim that the ages of the girls are whatever they say it is, it's only really a handicap for open and accountable nations.

Mike said...

I think she should be stripped of all her medals, most importantly nastia liuken's gold medal she currently has. And China should be barred from womens gymnastics in the next olympics, returning in 2016.

sakamura said...

:STANDING OVATION:

Great find!

Mana Knight said...

Two more screen shots:

http://lowpolycount.com/gymnastics/gymnastics-1.png

http://lowpolycount.com/gymnastics/gymnastics-2.png

ntheory said...

My two screenshots with time and date stamps:

http://twitpic.com/8cwm
http://twitpic.com/8cwu

jayspec said...

Mirrored:

http://pics.livejournal.com/jayspec/pic/0010bz78

Jason Walsh said...

academycommunity.com/hekexin/screenshot.png

academycommunity.com/hekexin/screenshot2.png

No said...

http://stashbox.org/191375/cache.baidu.com.1.jpg

http://stashbox.org/191376/cache.baidu.com.2.jpg

I still have the originals so if these get deleted I'll put them back up.

b. said...

her name is "kexin" with a "K," not "hexin" with an "H."

Ian said...

Pdfs of the two documents

http://www.pithed.org/hekexin/He%20Kexin1.pdf

and

http://www.pithed.org/hekexin/He%20Kexin2.pdf

and a screen of me making the one pdf:

http://www.pithed.org/hekexin/He%20Kexin%20screen.PNG

Will Higgins said...

You're going to get about a billion hits on this article. Good work, this may just be the story of the Olympics.

codechimp said...

My link to your post, complete with browser screenshots and the HTML saved at http://www.codechimp.net/?p=41

john said...

print out the cache pages as .pdf then post that way you get the whole page

jonscilz said...

congrats stryde. ingenuity at its best. everyone knew and now theres proof.

www.scilz.com/images/shot1.bmp

www.scilz.com/images/shot2.bmp

dont worry china i have backups...

Leif said...

Check out these cache results too:

http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:lKKNqX5NgnwJ:www.sport.chengdu.gov.cn/escpecial/detail.asp%3FEventClassID%3D030308%26ID%3D28022+site:cn+%E4%BD%95%E5%8F%AF%E6%AC%A3+1994+-2008&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2

http://cache.baidu.com/c?m=9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7227e8a905368d4e41dce204c413037bfa673794e5392d8242140b2090bbff03470301e22b0dd93d91980ac925f65d666203541c6171d965ceadc46528062cd1aafb81990efad7684aea582834907910d523b9da8cd1b1d549d3af01633e4bb9b4f530441e9b0276588132968&p=8f769a44849c00b94ebd9b7e53&user=baidu

chuck said...

I have made copies avail at:

http://www.czepp.net/age/link1/c.htm

http://www.czepp.net/age/link2/c.htm

Chuck

jonscilz said...

congrats to stryde on a job well done. ingenuity at its best. everyone knew the truth and now theres proof. hopefully this gets well publicized. i found this from slashdot.

heres my piece of history:
www.scilz.com/images/shot1.bmp

www.scilz.com/images.shot2.bmp

dont worry china, i have backups...

Jonathan said...

congrats to stryde on a job well done. ingenuity at its best. everyone knew the truth and now theres proof. hopefully this gets well publicized. i found this from slashdot.

heres my piece of history:
www.scilz.com/images/shot1.bmp

www.scilz.com/images.shot2.bmp

dont worry china, i have backups...

Eric the Green said...

Nice work, Stryde.

I've added the URL to CoralCache--hopefully it will stay up there awhile:

http://cache.baidu.com.nyud.net/c?m=9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7227e8a905368d4e41dce204c413037bfa673794e5392d8242140b20a17a2a17d247c1e68e6dd999f4aaaf1cc693bcd7a742613913161c468d8dc4755d650e44d98a40e91b8e74391b9d2a2dc5f58cc&p=882a97128c805ffc57ecd3214f&user=baidu

David said...

Screenshot with current date and time from timeanddate.com

http://www.4dcollege.com/hekexin.jpg

Les said...

Well done... here is my contribution:

http://les-peters.livejournal.com/9041.html

john said...

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/

with transaltion:

618,"何可欣","女","1994.1.1","湖北"

(# 618, He Kexin, female, Jan 1 1994, Hubei)

eudada said...

2 PDFs

http://rapidshare.com/files/138763002/Baidu1.pdf

http://rapidshare.com/files/138763053/Baidu2.pdf

ivantheshifty said...

HTML copy of the page submitted to wikileaks, hopefully they'll accept.

David said...

Links to both PNG images and PDFs:

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/china_bday.pdf

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/china_bday2.pdf

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/screenshot_china.png

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/screenshot_china2.png

Jimmie said...

Wonder if Chinese hackers will retaliate?

Michael said...

One can do the same search for Yang Yilin (楊伊琳) and obtain similar results. She seems to have been born in 1993, which is still too young to participate in Olympic gymnastics.

link 1
link 2
link 3

(For me at least, there was some weirdness with the first character in her name showing up correctly, I hope this wasn't reflected in the links...)

It would seem that these are the types of documents that (I think) started the whole controversy, judging from the wikipedia descriptions here and here. It is good that now anyone can view them, at least for the time being...

jasper said...

I could replicate the results. Copies and screenshots taken.

BarryRTice said...

Well done.

I've posted screenshots on Experts Exchange in the Lounge, for the lizards there to comment on or ridicule accordingly.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Lounge/Q_23663307.html

hxr said...

Good work!

You can also do the inverse search, assuming that
her birthday really is 1996, there should be plenty
of documentation on the web right?

I tried the same search with 1996 instead,
and guess what? No hits!
(except for the documents already discussed)

timwylie said...

I wonder if there was any information on a page that would be stored at archive.org as well. The pages are archived pretty thoroughly. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sport.gov.cn/

Lisa said...

I looks like your original google search now shows no results at all.

reddougway said...

Maybe a cache of the cache would be helpful?

http://www.furl.net/item/36800358/cached

http://www.furl.net/item/36800345/cached

Rafe said...

It would take a lot of evidence to establish the truth (as if looking at the girls isn't enough); but no amount of evidence would ever get the ChiComs to admit culpability; Chinese culture is quite comfortable with blatant hypocrisy and would deny breathing oxygen if it served them.

When you think about it, it makes sense; implicating fakery would implicate the China government itself in its attempt to literally steal gold, as well as show the international community just what China thinks of its doings. Which, anyone who actually lives in China could easily tell you, once you see past the ingratiation to experience their genuine attitudes towards the non-Han of the world.

However, it would be quite a message should the international community expose this hypocrisy, which is about more than a couple of girls, but of State collusion in its approach to the games. For the international community, this would clearly invalidate China. For the Chinese, nothing at all would change, since most Chinese either believe their government implicitly, endorse opportunism and eschew "honor", or wouldn't believe a snake if it bit them on the ass.

But it would be nice if it came out for no reason except that it's the truth.

- Kiss of X

\/\//\ Wim said...

For those who can't read Chinese, try translate.google.com or click this link for cache 2: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.baidu.com%2Fc%3Fm%3D9d78d513d9d431dc4f9ce3690c66c0166d43f1682ba1d2020ed68448e267504a4172a4fb792d4a4295876b6672b25419afb52172404262eadb8e9f4aaaeecf6c388850652c01d21a4c8458b2930064dc60c70fe9ad1be3a7b863d5ffc5d3a81e0d8b%26p%3D8b2a941786cc43f113fecb3146%26user%3Dbaidu&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

David said...

Links to images of the yang yilin ones:

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/yang_yilin1.png

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/yang_yilin2.png

http://students.cs.byu.edu/~dpru/yang_yilin3.png

ropers said...

http://i34.tinypic.com/21az33n.png

http://i34.tinypic.com/264l401.png

shaped dither said...

Why aren't you guys using PNG or at least GIF for these screenshots? JPG/JPEG/JFIF is usually considered harmful for screenshots because the blocking/MDCT/quantization steps remove data.

Scott said...

Good job. My link to images:

http://blog.scottpaterson.org/2008/08/cheating-at-olympics-never.html

Giancarlo said...

Nadia Comăneci was 14 when she scored perfect 10s in Moontreal. Was she a cheat?

prophecy said...

Since you're correcting the spelling of the name, you should probably also know that she's "Ms. He" not Ms. Kexin. Chinese names are written surname first.

ec74 said...

Wikipedia says that her birth place is Beijing, however assuming the last column in the spreadsheet list the birth place, it says otherwise.

Beijing should be 北京, not 湖北.

Captain Awesome said...

I found this while poking around Baidu, since I don't know Chinese, I don't know if it's incriminating:

http://www.networkmirror.com/OoVrcVCqy7UpXz2W/cache.baidu.com/c%3Fm%3D9d78d513d9d431dc4f9ce3690c66c0166d43f1682ba1d2020ed68448e267504a4172a4fb792d4a4295876b6672b25419afb52172404262eadb8e9f4aaaeecf6c388850652c01d21a4c8458b2930064dc60c70fe9ad1be3a7b863d5ffc5d3a81e0d8b&p%3D8b2a941786cc43f113fecb3146&user%3Dbaidu.html

Ryan said...

Check this page out as well:

Translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2F64.233.167.104%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AlKKNqX5NgnwJ%3Awww.sport.chengdu.gov.cn%2Fescpecial%2Fdetail.asp%253FEventClassID%253D030308%2526ID%253D28022%2Bsite%3Acn%2B%25E4%25BD%2595%25E5%258F%25AF%25E6%25AC%25A3%2B1994%2B%252B.gov%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26cd%3D3%26gl%3Dus&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

None Translated:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:lKKNqX5NgnwJ:www.sport.chengdu.gov.cn/escpecial/detail.asp%3FEventClassID%3D030308%26ID%3D28022+site:cn+%E4%BD%95%E5%8F%AF%E6%AC%A3+1994+%2B.gov&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

Whitney said...

While your post certainly lends credence to the idea that He Kexin is underage, do you seriously believe some random Excel spreadsheet you found in a Baidu cache that lists He's name and the number 1994 next to it proves it beyond a reasonable doubt? Your armchair research is no substitute for a proper investigation, but it's unlikely anyone will ever be able to definitively prove her age given that the Chinese government is complicit in the forgery.

I applaud you for expending some effort on this, but your methods are laughable. "I have an Internet connection, that means I should be able to verify the age of the gymnasts in question with primary state-issued documents ..., right?" Why on earth would you think that?

Some problems with your approach:

First, you searched for He's name plus the number 1994. This is called selection bias: you're only searching for evidence to confirm your hypothesis. Assuming for the moment that such a search is likely to produce definitive, primary-source documents, you need to at the very least search for He Kexin + 1992, to see if you turn up similar official documents listing her birthdate as 1992. Or for that matter, search for the entire range of likely possibilities, say 1990-1996. In order to sift through all the hits you'd get and discover which one is authentic, you need access to the source and history of these documents, something you simply don't have access to with a Google or Baidu search. I'm thinking specifically of interviewing the person or persons who produced the documents.

Second, how do you know that the doc you found was an official document created by the General Administration of Sport of China? I hope you're not relying solely on the fact that the Baidu cache identified at as being from the sport.gov.cn site. Do you see how far removed you are from a primary source in making that claim?

Jos said...

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sport.gov.cn/files/jts/reg2006/zc*

not stored, too bad

Mark said...

BTW... I predict shades of remorse and guilt when these girls get old enough to make decisions for themselves. Being children, they are also the victims here.

Timmy said...

Well done!
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www.jett-track.com

Chris said...

PDF documents available on Scribd:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4916754/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4916761/

piedtype said...

My screenshots posted at:
http://piedtype.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/expert-finds-chinese-records-showing-gymnast-is-underage/

doswheeler said...

I dunno dude, I dont really see what the big deal is. Its all good, let them play.

RD
www.decrypt.net.tc

Tom said...

Because even this site might be taken offline due to chinese claims, I've taken the time to mirror this blog :
cache.tvdw.eu link

Verlin said...

To follow up on hxr's comment, he had the right idea, but the wrong date. Still, if you correct the date to 1-1-1992, the supposed birthdate from He's passport, you still come up empty. Heck of a catch, Stryde - I wonder how the IOC can wish this away.

-Verlin Henderson

h-i-r.net said...

Mirrored at HiR Information Report.
http://www.h-i-r.net/2008/08/stryde-hacks-olympics.html

Also, dugg for great justice.

Rafael said...

how long does the cache last after the document is removed? or changed? if changed would it reflect the new changes faster? why not just change the one entry. These Chinese are not only doctoring the truth they are doing it badly!! what kind of government wool are they trying to pull?

lorph said...

Great find, I've uploaded my own screenshots here http://codexon.skial.com/posts/chinese-olympics-2008-scandal/

UK said...

I've made a PDF of the website. You can download it at:
http://rapidshare.com/files/138803470/2006__24180___20840___22269___20307___25805___36816___21160___21592___19978___25253___27880___20876_.html

VikTor said...

http://www.remes-it.be/node/37

with links to the original article of course ...

purpleflare22 said...

Epoch Times covered this story now as well.

http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/china/hacker-finds-proof-chinese-gold-winners-are-underage-3089.html

vb said...

Mine here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vbfronkis/2782136406/

and here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vbfronkis/2782136408/in/photostream/

n3rv said...

I decided to support this cause

http://n3rvp4in.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/the-chinese-gymnast-age-debacle/

One more screenshot for your collection

Belial said...

Screenshot - http://noles.co.uk/dump/china.png

Daenris said...

Interestingly, using the google translate as someone here suggested translates the name as "Ho Ke"

I'm guessing since no one's complained about the searched name being wrong that Google is in fact translating this incorrectly.

Daenris said...

Though... double checking... if I just enter the searched name directly into Google's translate site (instead of translating the webpage) it translates correctly. Odd

Niels Olson said...

here's mine

http://www.flickr.com/photos/niels_olson/2782248656/

Clint Laskowski said...

I hate to say it, but because of this story, I'm some-what concerned for the safety of the Chinese girls.

Darren Etheredge said...

Posted at http://darrenva.blogspot.com/2008/08/he-kexins-official-birthday-from.html

Will be backed up on my private server too. Let the Chinese government try and get it from me there!

I applaud the Internet community for banding together in this.

Nick said...

First, you searched for He's name plus the number 1994. This is called selection bias: you're only searching for evidence to confirm your hypothesis.

A search for He Kexin 1992 returns the same results.

Try it out for yourself: http://www.baidu.com/s?ie=gb2312&bs=site%3Acn+%BA%CE%BF%C9%D0%C0+filetype%3Axls+1994&sr=&z=&cl=3&f=8&tn=baidu&wd=site%3Acn+%BA%CE%BF%C9%D0%C0+filetype%3Axls+1992&ct=0

Jenni said...

I knew it! I knew it! While watching the events, I said outloud to my husband, "That chinese girl is NOT 16! She looks 12!!!" Those cheats! Poor Nastia Liukin! She totally deserved that gold! They've been screwing her into the ground the entire competition!!!

johnnyglea said...

Good Work, linked you on examiner:

http://www.examiner.com/x-596-Olympics-Examiner~y2008m8d20-Proof-of-Chinese-gymnastic-conspiracy--He-Kexin-is-14

Brian said...

I'm going to see Nastia Liukin and Shawn Johnson in person in a couple months. I'll print out this document for them to see!

And maybe make a sign with the corrected medal counts.

Kyle Brady said...

You are my hero!

Ok, not really, but I'm glad you were passionate enough to dig into the real data.

I thought about doing it, but my first thought was "how far will this go, and will it matter?" ... so I didn't.

I know you said you "don't care" about how old they are or the results of the Olympics because of this... but I do. And I document a few other, ah, inconsistencies of the IOC and China on my own blog: http://www.kyle-brady.com/2008/08/13/chinese-lies/

Happy hunting!

--Kyle

p.s. I think you should let everyone know when you get a notification from Blogger of a DDoS attack from Chinese servers, or an official notice from the Chinese Government... it'd be worth a laugh

\/\//\ Wim said...

Well, before making any assumptions, you first have to realize that there's a very limited amount of Chinese surnames. Technically speaking, there are a few thousand surnames in China but the official count is 100 surnames in total. These 100 names are used by 85% of the population. And 'He' happens to be one of those popular names. Since there are about 1 billion Chinese people, and 1% of 85% has the name 'He', that means there are 8.5 million Chinese people named 'He'. Slightly more than half of them will be male so let's assume there are about 4 million Chinese girls and women who are named 'He'.
So, the chance that there are two girls named He Kexin is reasonable big. While the list of first names for women might be long, I don't expect that they will have 4 million different first names. But let's assume there are 100.000 different first names in China. Quite a lot, I'd say. That still means there would be about 40 girls sharing the same name.

So while you might find the name "He Kexin" combined with "1994" a lot on the Internet, there's still a chance that you're finding information about the wrong girl. I've tried searching for the combination of her name with 1980 but unfortunately this discussion about her age has polluted the whole Google search index.

But does her age really matter that much? If the Chinese are cheating with her age, then it's probably very important for them...

dominick said...

It's ridiculous how the Chinese government is influencing the Olympic Games, many weird decisions by judges have been made in advantage to the Chinese sportsmen and sportswomen. For example a judo match where a Chinese women was fighting another women, in which nobody got points so after the tie breaker ( another 5 minutes of fighting, whoever scores a point wins, regardless of the manor thats achieved) after that tie breaker the judges had to decide who was the best according to them, and of course it was the Chinese 2-1 I found this to be strange so did my friends, and some foreign forum members from a forum... also in other sports the Chinese always got advantages from the Judges, same goes for a Chinese gymnast, who won despite performing crappy.

Btw, here a link, we cant let the Chinese censor every information against them away, i will protect the file at any cost:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x240/diamania/cheatingbitches.png

And to end my post here is a tip: save the file as png. because if you save it as for example jpg, the image might look like edited, and gone is your evidence.

Greets from Holland.

Stijn said...

[url=http://www.webcitation.org]WebCite[/url] copies should appear shortly at:

http://www.webcitation.org/5aDswJ7oy
http://www.webcitation.org/5aDszWnfp

Casey said...

I sent this link to the http://www.usoc.org/ Olympic Committe!

Thank you for taking the time and researching this!

I knew that at least 1 or 2 of those girls were nowhere near 16!

Kaelan said...

http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hacktheolympics3sw8.png

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hacktheolympics2wk5.png

B. said...

It sure angers me that she might very well be 14. I've been scouting the Chinese Internet to find evidences that she isn't, but I can only find Chinese articles that mention the "16 years old winner", so often that it's suspicious.

I love China and have spent much time there, I hope they could be 100% honest with their athletes. Who cares about the lip-sync? But breaking the rules and possibly issuing a fake passport is pushing it.

Interesting observation: the Chinese usually refer to their age using the Lunar calendar. (Everyone is one year older after the Chinese new year), meaning that to the Chinese, you must be 17 (based on the lunar calendar) to participate in the gymnastics events. And to them the discrepancy should be whether she's 17 instead of 15. Yet I can only find articles claiming she's 16... why would they suddenly refer to her age using the Western calendar age? So that Western media can more easily find new story claiming she's actually 16?

anon3248 said...

@Nick


He was just narrowing his search, obviously there is going to be evidence that she is 16, but he was looking for official stuff that says she is 14, which he found.

superdude said...

It's the skills and talents that count, not the age. He Kexin deserves the gold even though she is in the age of 12. Nastia lost to a young girl, and of course that is very sad because she lost to a kid.

Trey said...

I have 4 Links.
One of each cache and one of each google translate. I expect attacks on my photobucket.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/mymansionisabox/19ec6d1b.png

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/mymansionisabox/9195ab63.png

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/mymansionisabox/e3317899.png

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/mymansionisabox/052ab221.png

anon3248 said...

@\/\//\ Wim

"Does it really matter"?

Yes. The olympic rules state something and everyone must follow them. It matters to everyone.

Big said...

CNN, why can't you tell the truth like poor old mistreated Chinese Government? They no have any secrets; all is wonderful in beautiful People's Republic of China. You are so mean!

Peter said...

Mirrored (with my own screenshots): http://www.peterjmags.com/kexinage/

Mike Colina said...

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4157/hekexinagescreenshot1fm7.png


http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4821/hekexinagescreenshot2gj8.png

Xtrafe said...

Maybe if enough people sent an email here:

mailto://nbcolympicsfeedback@nbcuni.com

...this could get some tv time.

Taylor said...

It is probably also worth investigating Yang Yilin (楊伊琳) and Jiang Yuyuan (江鈺源) as they were both big medal winners as well and also supposedly underage. Unfortunately a lot of this escapes me due to it being in Chinese or I would do it myself.

<3 Stryde!

Monn_Dawg said...

It doesn’t prove anything. It could have been a typo error by the registration clerk. The General Admission of Sport is not exactly a government ministry. The registration office could have mistakenly entered an incorrect data entry. Haven't you people figure out that this is where all the rumor has started because of some typo error? You can always find something to back up your claim when your mind has already made up. It is called "pre-judge" (prejudice).

ryan said...

Mirrored here: http://ryan.ifupdown.com/2008/08/20/he-kexin-age-documents-mirror/

mrk said...

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/971/hekexin1994ed7.jpg

agb said...

I found your post really interesting, and I wonder how many other examples are out there, even in countries where censorship is not the rule. Trying to think about developed countries, where the massive amounts of information can also hide many other examples. Fortunately, technology is giving people a tool to bring these things into light.

The content is already being discused and mentioned in the media and other blogs that I follow (see comments sections, see
(http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/china/hacker-finds-proof-chinese-gold-winners-are-underage-3089.html
http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/
http://governanceblog.worldbank.org/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance#comments

jack said...

more evidence

http://www.sport.chengdu.gov.cn/escpecial/detail.asp?EventClassID=030308&ID=28022

Coral Cache of google cache:

http://translate.google.com.nyud.net/translate?u=http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:lKKNqX5NgnwJ:www.sport.chengdu.gov.cn/escpecial/detail.asp%3FEventClassID%3D030308%26ID%3D28022+site:cn+%E4%BD%95%E5%8F%AF%E6%AC%A3+1994+%2B.gov&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

superdude said...

I totally agree with the comment made by Whitney.

All I have to add is this: