Are you faster than the delete button?
DOCUMENT:
http://www.zjsports.gov.cn/zjty/node12/node43/userobject1ai4698/00000002.xls
DOCUMENT METADATA:
Size: 3438080 Bytes
SHA-1 Signature: 1e1ee2513116b729b927a056cae1af9e87bdfc7e
DOCUMENT SOURCE:
Zhejiang Provincial Sports Administration
http://www.zjsports.gov.cn
IP Address: 60.191.63.85
DOCUMENT MIRRORS:
Mirror @wikileaks Courtesy Dan Schmitt
Internet Archive (Direct Download)
UCLA Radio Courtesy Carey Shenkman
Mirror @www.heathershow.com Courtesy Heather Lawver
DOCUMENT ANALYSIS:
Registration Number: TC2001C017
Name: Jiang Yuyuan 江钰源
National Id Number: 330302199310013648
Gender: F
Date of Birth 10/1/1993
Training: Gymnastics
Jiang Yuyan's Wikipedia page states:
After beginning her gymnastics career
in Guangxi Province, she transferred to the
Zhejiang Provincial Team in 1999
SCREENSHOTS:
Highlight of row 11279, showing Jiang Yuyan
Screenshot of the WorldLingo translation engine, with the name from row 11279 pasted in.
Credit where credit is actually due
I am dedicating this post to my anonymous source, without whom this would not have happened, as well as the large Internet community within China whom I believe started this investigation at much greater risks to themselves. In addition I'd like to cite four articles which pre-date this blog which cover a lot of the same material, though with a different presentation. It's impossible for me to know if I've run across the same or different documents than these reporters, because I've never had access to their urls. That said, these folks were covering this story long before I ever tried to learn anything about it.
- NY Times (Jere Longman and Juliet Macur)
- LA Times (Diane Pucin)
- Huffington Post (David Flumenbaum)
- Associated Press (Nancy Armour and John Leicester)
What Now?
This has been an exhausting week. I honestly don't know what there is left to do, after posting this document. It's an original document straight off a government web site, with government id numbers, birth dates, etc. There are over ten thousand names and hand entered details. How could anyone ever forge something like that? It would take an army to gather that amount of detail and make it stand up to scrutiny. I think I'm going to grab a beer and watch this young woman's identity vanish into thin air. If you're watching it with me, think about our upcoming American elections, which are going to be decided by voting machines which generate only electronic documents. Think about the permanence and weight of electronic documents. And think about a future in which our identities are purely electronic. Cheers!
update An article from 2007 which states that He Kexin was 13 at the time (making her 14 in 2008) is still hosted on a government website. Which would make five documents regarding Kexin, for anyone counting.
39 comments:
Boy, they are awfully slow at removing this.
Bravo!
impressive...it's about 5am in china,i wonder if someone is going to erase this file now lol... i sent you an email too about another document I found.
Paul
I saved a copy.
Please look at the following link. This is how much the Chinese government is willing to do in the name of the great mother-land.
http://www.aboluowang.com/news/data/2008/0822/article_56997.html
Dugg!
http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/ready-set-censor.html
Jiang Yuyuan the ‘08 Olympian didn‘t even participate in such a competition in 2007. Your document lists the roster for the 2007 Provincial Youth Games (younger than even junior level) in Zhejiang -- she never even went back to Zhejiang in all of 2007 for any competition.
Also, other recent gymnastics competitions rosters have names like Liu Xuan (the 2000 Olympic champion who is 29 years old this year) and Liu Juan (another long-retired Chinese gymnast) -- with the EXACT SAME Chinese characters (first and last names) as the retired athletes. And from the same provinces. Are you to say those people were resurrected? Do you know how many Chinese people have those same names with the same characters?
Obviously not, considering you're single-mindedly determined to "watch this young woman's life vanish into thin air."
Sorry. I forgot to mention that those pictures are not confirmed.
There is NO DOUBT that China cheated. If China wants respect from the rest of the world, their president Hu-Jin Tao should officially apologize to the world.
You are doing a great job stryde. I also made a copy of the document.
@ Chloe: "Obviously not, considering you're single-mindedly determined to 'watch this young woman's life vanish into thin air.' "
Reading comprehension for the loss.
He meant he is going to take a break while all the evidence that identifies a person is being falsified/changed or deleted.
or chloe, how about the parents of those gymnasts named their children after the famous gymnasts. while there are many people with the same name, it however is not coincidental that her birthdate just so happens to corroborate her birthday from independent sources? not to mention that her birthday on her passport is conveniently one year earlier? use your head chloe
Oops! Wrong link:
http://digg.com/olympics/Ready_Set_Censor
@ peterjjj -
"How how about the parents of those gymnasts named their children after the famous gymnasts"???
Gymnasts like Liu Juan retired in 2005/2006, yet there are other "Liu Juan"s who are only a few years younger (born just a few years apart from the original gymnast bearing the same name ,i.e. born 10+ years before the original gymnast even made it on the national team).....and you think parents named their children after the famous gymnasts? You should learn some Chinese culture and names. There are tens of thousands of Chinese people, if not more, with those exact names born before AND after the gymnasts.
And Jiang Yuyuan's birth date on her passport and registered with the FIG? -- it's Nov. 1st, NOT Oct. 1st. as displayed in that spreadsheet.
"it however is not coincidental that her birthdate just so happens to corroborate her birthday from independent sources?"
---> From independent sources? Unlike He Kexin, the ONLY place that the NYT found showing a conflicting birth date for Jiang Yuyuan was this same document uncovered by this hacker -- for a provincial youth competition. This is the only document showing a different birth year and month -- and how do you even know it's the same gymnast?
chloe:
How many Jaing Yuyuan are there in the whole China who are borne in Liuzhou City/County, Guangxi Province, happen to be gymnasts at the age of 14 or 16, registered in Zhejiang Provincial Sport Bureau, and reach the senior level in the sport?
I guess ignorance really is bliss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk8ZwHd2GA8
At the end of this clip is video footage filmed in 2003 of young Chinese gymnasts, who are asked to state their names and ages.
The girl with the white hairclip is Jiang Yuyuan, age 12 in 2003.
12 + 5 = 17 years in 2008
Shows you how reliable these online "government documents" are.
Here's the latest:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/25/sports/olympics/25gymnastics.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
This explains why all the 1994 birth year are all have Wuhan, Hebei reference. The local sports bureau made a mistake when He Kexin was on an exchange program.
bobby, great find. i'm a little curious how an official managed to make an error which got he's age mis-transcribed into three different spreadsheets! and i'm even more curious why all those databases and news articles kept getting deleted. hopefully they'll follow up with an explanation of the document I posted today, which contains Jiang Yuyuan's government id number, which has her birthday embedded within it: 19931001. should be a great read.
One spreadsheet copied from another, QED.
BTW, here's a cached 2004 registration from Chinese sports commission that shows Jiang with 1991 birth year:
http://cache.baidu.com/c?m=9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7227e8a905368d4e41dce204c413037bfa673794e5392d8242140b2090bbff03470311e66ecca9bd55dddccd8766e9c6269304a895662a50edcbd5124b137e72dfed96af0ccf625e3a8c5d3ae4323cb44717e9781804d7467dd6e800340e9b1ef4f022e14ad9b43&p=85769a44cc9102ee08e2962545&user=baidu
Here's another Baidu cache, of 2005 registration that has Jiang with 1991 birth year:
http://cache.baidu.com/c?m=9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7227e8a905368d4e41dce204c413037bfa673794e5392d8242140b2090bbff03470311e66ecca9bd55dddccd8766e9c6269304a895662a50edcbd5124b137e72dfed96af0ccf625e3a8c5d3ae4323cb44717e9781804d7467dd6e800340e9b1ef4f022e14ad9b43&p=85769a44cc9102ee08e2962545&user=baidu
Here's a live page from zjsports.gov.cn that shows Jiang with 1990 birth year:
http://www.zjsports.gov.cn/zjty/node6/userobject1ai6099.html
Jian is #5 of 2007's "top 10 athelets" list.
bobby this is great stuff. if the baidu cache is to be trusted at this point, this raises some really interesting questions. obviously we have one document establishing her birthday in 1993. now we have these documents you're uncovering establishing her birthday in 1991, and they apparently date back to 2004. since we've already seen an official admission that mistakes were made, we have to ask ourselves: what kind of mistake has happened with jiang, and how old is it? if your documents are right it could be a mistake that goes back at least four years. wow.
To Anonymous Chink-
There is no way!!! that Jiang Yuyuan was 14 years old in 2005 when we were in China practicing in the gym with her. Jiang was on a "feeder" team then and the girls were 8/9/10 year olds. Because if you are saying that she was 12 in 2003, that is crazy. We have video and pictures and no way would she have been 14 in 2005.
anonymous c : i watched that documentary and it is great footage. the introduction of the gymnastics footage at 8:56 unfortunately does not establish a date. oh well.
I believe previous to Cui's comment, other officials have already said there are mistakes in the websites.
So the definitive answer is not to rely on any of them, but go with passport, birth certificate, etc.
I believe OIC and FIG had investigated once already, and what was the result of the 2nd investigation? Let's go with that shall we?
Stryde, if you don't trust Baidu cache, try Google cache:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=%E6%B1%9F%E9%92%B0%E6%BA%90+xls+site%3Agov.cn
Here's a few articles claiming He Kexin was 13 in 2007.
First one I thought I posted already, but maybe I only hit preview... It's from the Shenyang Sport University :
http://olympics.syty.edu.cn/news_info.asp?id=1230
And a few more about Kexin:
http://paper.people.com.cn/rmrb/html/2007-11/03/content_29220121.htm
http://www.jinwanbao.cn/gb/content/2007-11/08/content_470624.htm
http://www.csmn.cn/Fstrarcontent.asp?id=56
Note how in this last one someone added a comment about the age scandal...
And now here's one claiming that Li Shashan was 14 in August 2007 (therefore is now only 15):
http://wldaily.zjol.com.cn/html/2007-08/17/content_20472.htm
Using Google translate, we get a sentence "Shan-Shan Li listen to the coach said that she is the national balance beam champion, she moves difficulty of the highest in the country, I can not help but to the 14-year-old young have a feeling of admiration."
Note that you can get this article in its as-seen-on-paper PDF version:
http://wldaily.zjol.com.cn/images/2007-08/17/11872714508439282409743733484.pdf
So presumably one could also find a hardcopy of this somewhere...
So, my conclusion: If it was just one of the gymnasts who's age was in dispute, it is possible that there was a mistake made somewhere that was perpetuated. However given that we've got "dirt" on at least 3 of them what are the chances that this could be explained by a simple mistake? Pretty slim.
Go to YouTube.
Plug in 2005 Spring Festival Party China Gymnastics.
Lover729 posted it a year ago on YouTube. Pay close attention to the viewers comments. These are gymnasts in question. Interesting. Check out the pink leotard and tutu video and how young they are. Cute. 13/14 then, 16/17 now.
The excel sheets could be errors but their faces clearly tell the age !
If thr passports they said they are 30, are we idiots to believe it ?!
Stryde, in regards to the youtube clip from AnonCh. The narrator of the documentary stated the gymnastics trial took place during 2003(9:25), and Jiang identified herself(9:39) as 12 years old(9:45).
The excel file on the zjsports website lists young athletes who were eligible to compete in Zhejiang provincial youth games in 2007. At the link below one will find rules concerning registration of athletes in Zhejiang: http://www.zjtjw.com/Article/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=223
For people who don't read Chinese, the rules require athletes to submit household registration papers and second-generation national ID card, which we all know by now embeds birth date. The rules say information must be verified by sports bureau officials whose seals are required to approve the registration.
Jiang was born in Guangxi province and "purchased" by Wenzhou to represent the prosperous city in Zhejiang. It's possible that Wenzhou public security bureau, which is in charge of issuing household registration papers and national ID cards, created Jiang's documents to make her eligible for the youth games; Her national ID card then showed her birth date to be 10/1/1993. The 2005 national sports admin registration listed Jiang's birth date as 10/1/1991, which was submitted by another city.
Even if the Chinese government can show the IOC all the right papers to prove the female gymnasts to be eligible, who will believe the papers are not created as needed?
Well Mike Walker used Baidu cache, too.
It's pretty cool here people actually post supporting evidence, it's tiring to hear how someone "looks" too small..
Great finds by everyone. I am impressed by the respectful comments here. I am trying to be objective. The truth must be pretty complicated, as Cindy has suggested. Maybe this is why it is taking FIG so long to decide what happened.
In response to Scared re Li Shanshan being underage. Here is a Google cache from 2006 where Li has 2/22/1992 DOB:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:I6ymhyotGh4J:www.sport.gov.cn/files/jts/reg2006/zctc.xls+site:sport.gov.cn+%E6%9D%8E%E7%8F%8A%E7%8F%8A+xls&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us
Also, a 2004 Baidu cache shows Li with 1992 DOB as well:
http://cache.baidu.com/c?m=9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7227e8a905368d4e41dce204c413037bfa673794e5392d8242140b2090bbff03470311e66ecca9bd55dddccd8766e9c6269304a895663d10ed8bc5124b137e151fedf6af0cbfb25e3ddc5d3ae1e0d8b&p=882a97068c904eae19a7c32448&user=baidu
Yeah ..we know they cheated. If that's what they have to do to win a medal, then, so be it. It's obviuos these girls aren't of age. And any opressive government ,especially china, can forge/hide documents and any others. At the end of the day though, that is all they have, A medal that wasn't earned within the rules. China is known for cheating ...They cheat on everything ..They cheat on their own economics, Their people, and their land, why would you expect anything less at the olympics. However, when you compare medals between free countries and opressed countries. Freedom rules. IT'S GOOD TO BE FREE.
Well, I do not discredit your findings but I doubt they will do anything... this should teach the IOC to change the rules... like that one Russian old guy was saying. Dunno how this is gonna look like to the rest of the world tho, an American is providing evidence to get a Chinese athlete disqualified so an American can get the gold. This might escalate into something that would do more harm then good not just to china, but to us. (and yea... its not just china that cheats... greece cheats, usa cheats, russia cheats... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/2958273.stm
It is easy to put fake info on sport registration forms in China, but quite difficult to fake national ID# which embeds each individual's birth date. The third column of the excel sheet shows the ID# and it is clear from the ID# that Jiang is indeed born in 1993.
做事请用脑子想想.
中国人16岁才能拿身份证,1993年出身的今年多大?会算数吗?
还有贴一个图,发一个表格就说是证据.
我也可以贴个图发个表格说Shawn和LIukin
才15岁你信不信?既然还能提供下载,作者自己改一下有这样的事难么?
谁来帮忙翻译一下
做事请用脑子想想.
中国人16岁才能拿身份证,1993年出身的今年多大?会算数吗?
还有贴一个图,发一个表格就说是证据.
我也可以贴个图发个表格说Shawn和LIukin
才15岁你信不信?既然还能提供下载,作者自己改一下有这样的事难么?
谁来帮忙翻译一下
Please note that I am not intentionally spamming a video that I created when I first heard of the age controversy.
I find this conspiracy disgusting and honestly feel that the women's gymnastics team, the gymnasts for individual competitions and the all-around competition (who else but China) should be disqualified. I've tried to upload futher videos of footage but am now getting the IOC and NBC Universal third party block. These Olympics were a mockery, a sham, and bulls**!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmFAVg-oJmM
I'm trying to share your blog link Hax (with all of the data to back up the cheat for China) for the ill-educated or pro-China posters but will only do so with your permission.
There are none so blind as a herd of sheep who won't listen to the dogs barking! BAA!
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